We continue our look at the new book on Gale Storm this week with an interview with the author, David C. Tucker. Please see last week's post for our review on Gale Storm: A Biography and Career Record.
David Tucker: Before I wrote that first book, I knew less about her than most of the other women I profiled. But as I watched her shows, and researched her career, I was captivated by her charm and talent. Interviewing her only added to that, and kept me thinking about her even after The Women Who Made Television Funny was finished. A full-length book gave me the opportunity to explore her film career in depth, which wasn’t possible the first time. Although she had passed away by the time I began the newer book, I was lucky to be able to speak with her daughter, two of her grandchildren, her stepdaughter, and people like Linda Wood, who as a little girl loved Margie on TV and persuaded her father, a record executive, to offer Gale Storm a recording contract.
JTL: Gale wrote her own autobiography I Ain’t Down Yet,
which revealed her battle with alcoholism. Having read your book, I’d
like to read her memoir as well. Personally, though I enjoy biographies
of entertainers, and especially value autobiographies as lending insight into
their careers, I am inevitably disappointed that the greater part of these
celebrity bios are devoted to little more than a cursory view of their career
achievements. Much of these books dwell on anecdotal material, which
though entertaining (and as with Gale’s struggle with her disease, inspiring),
is not always very useful to the serious film fan. I found myself in
reading many books on film stars to be annoyed that a film I wanted to know
more about was dismissed as “and then he did this.” Then a full chapter
on the next divorce or scandal. Your book, Gale Storm: A Biography and Career Record is a detailed career record fans can turn to for the most
meticulous chronicling of her work. Many serious classic film and
television fans are extremely knowledgeable and compile their own informal
hobby lists that would be the envy of professional keepers of baseball box
scores. What is your opinion and your approach to writing about your film
star subjects and Gale Storm in particular?
David Tucker: I wrote Gale Storm: A
Biography and Career Record with the aim of complementing and supplementing
the memoir she wrote. While that book is a great read, it focuses largely on
her recovery from alcoholism, which had received much publicity at the time it
was published. I wanted to cover her film and television career in more depth, including
the B movies, which are often given short shrift in books. So there is an essay
on every film she made, with behind-the-scenes details and a critical analysis.
Likewise, there’s an extensively researched section on her work in television.
Since her own book came out in the early 1980s, there was also a need to
explore the last three decades of her life. Those later years included, among
other things, her life as a widow after Lee’s death, her second marriage, and
her final professional performances. On the personal side, it was exciting to
meet and befriend her niece, who shared not only great stories with me about
the family, but also rare photos of Gale’s parents and sisters.
JTL: I note that you credit in
your acknowledgements section a thank you to fans who provided material -- films
and memorabilia from their own collections. When I was writing about Ann
Blyth, I found her fans to be invaluable for sources of material that just
could not be found elsewhere. I still hear from fans wanting to share
their treasures, and I’ve made a couple wonderful friends among them.
What was your experience in the hunt for film and television video, radio and
recordings, lobby cards and various memorabilia and how did private collectors
help you?
David Tucker: Gale had a very close, loving relationship with her fans, and they
were incredibly helpful in preparing the book. People who didn’t really know me
would send me DVDs, tapes, and memorabilia, so that I was able to see as much
of her work as possible. Ron Baker, who co-founded her fan club, is a walking
encyclopedia of Gale’s life and career, and he couldn’t have been more generous
or helpful. Even Gale’s own daughter said he knew far more about her mother’s
career than she did.
JTL: Also, as regards the
challenge of collecting material for research, I’ve read where Boomers were big
collectors and the older Boomers are now downsizing, but younger generations
are less interested in collectibles (putting a dent in the income of some
collectibles dealers). Do you have an opinion on what will happen to all
this material, these posters and 16mm films and such? Will estate sales
draw out other collectors or will they just be a glut on eBay? Or perish
the thought, left in landfills?
David Tucker: Some of it, inevitably, will be lost. But I like to think that my books help to preserve not only information, but also high-quality reproductions of rare lobby cards, film stills, and other memorabilia. My publisher’s books stay in print for long periods of time, and they can be found in the collections of many libraries and archives. Even after the original illustrations deteriorate, hopefully this will allow future generations to see them. I also plan to donate some of these original materials to archives, where they can be professionally preserved, and that’s something fans could consider doing as well.
David Tucker: Some of it, inevitably, will be lost. But I like to think that my books help to preserve not only information, but also high-quality reproductions of rare lobby cards, film stills, and other memorabilia. My publisher’s books stay in print for long periods of time, and they can be found in the collections of many libraries and archives. Even after the original illustrations deteriorate, hopefully this will allow future generations to see them. I also plan to donate some of these original materials to archives, where they can be professionally preserved, and that’s something fans could consider doing as well.
JTL: I enjoyed reading your
book on Gale Storm very much. Like most Baby Boomers, I’m familiar with
her most from reruns of My Little Margie. (I seem to remember
there was a child character on the 1970s sitcom soap opera parody Mary
Hartman, Mary Hartman who was addicted to My Little Margie reruns.)
While, as a fan of classic films, I was aware of her career, but did not know
the wide range of genres in which she performed -- noir, westerns, musicals,
and I am delighted to discover her discography in recordings and Soundies. I really knew nothing of her recording career. “I Hear You Knockin’" quite surprised me, and the YouTube video I checked out -- I must say, a
knock-out. Do you have a favorite film of Gale’s? A favorite record?
David Tucker: Many people love It Happened on Fifth Avenue, of course, which was also one of her favorite films. I love it too, and recommend it to anyone, especially as a holiday treat. But, as you say, most people don’t know the extent of her film work. Her noir films of the late 1940s and early 1950s (Abandoned, Between Midnight and Dawn) are a revelation if you haven’t seen them. I’m also quite fond of G.I. Honeymoon, a little-known Monogram comedy from 1945 that really gives you an early glimpse at the type of characters she would play in her television series. As for her music, I especially loved her singing on Oh! Susanna, where she did beautifully choreographed musical numbers that really showcased her talent.
David Tucker: Many people love It Happened on Fifth Avenue, of course, which was also one of her favorite films. I love it too, and recommend it to anyone, especially as a holiday treat. But, as you say, most people don’t know the extent of her film work. Her noir films of the late 1940s and early 1950s (Abandoned, Between Midnight and Dawn) are a revelation if you haven’t seen them. I’m also quite fond of G.I. Honeymoon, a little-known Monogram comedy from 1945 that really gives you an early glimpse at the type of characters she would play in her television series. As for her music, I especially loved her singing on Oh! Susanna, where she did beautifully choreographed musical numbers that really showcased her talent.
JTL: I’m delighted that you
covered her experience in summer theatre, another aspect of an entertainment
career that is often neglected in biographies. There is the usual “Have
you retired?” question when a star flies under the radar in the film industry
-- but not to fans who loyally flocked to summer theaters to see their
favorites. Interestingly, Gale did not start in theatre, but came to it
rather late in her career. Many studio-trained stars were uneasy, even
terrified by going on stage. How do you think she made the transition,
and did she enjoy the challenge of stage work?
David Tucker: Although she had made a few stage appearances earlier, it wasn’t
until the 1960s that it really became a major focus of her career. She had some
nerves, as anyone would, but it doesn’t seem to have been a difficult
transition for her. Gale had acted in front of a camera for so many years,
doing shows that were filmed without a studio audience, that she found it
exciting to hear live, spontaneous reaction when she performed. She was also
heartened to realize that people still remembered and loved her, and would
eagerly buy tickets to see her on stage.
JTL: Radio, too, often goes unmentioned, but since Old Time Radio (OTR) is so much more easily discovered and shared in our Internet era, it is easier for a film star biographer to hear these shows to write about them. Gale’s career as you note, as did so many others, actually began on a radio contest, which sent her to Hollywood. What is your opinion on her versatility? Did you start writing about Gale as a fan, or did you become a fan through writing about her?
JTL: Radio, too, often goes unmentioned, but since Old Time Radio (OTR) is so much more easily discovered and shared in our Internet era, it is easier for a film star biographer to hear these shows to write about them. Gale’s career as you note, as did so many others, actually began on a radio contest, which sent her to Hollywood. What is your opinion on her versatility? Did you start writing about Gale as a fan, or did you become a fan through writing about her?
David Tucker: Although it certainly wasn’t funny at the time, in later years she
could laugh at the fact that her RKO contract, which was the grand prize in the
radio contest, petered out so quickly. An executive there told her that she
didn’t have what it took to become a star. Gale had more determination than
people realize, and she proved him wrong, as he himself later admitted. I
originally saw and admired her work on My
Little Margie, but there is much more to her career. Researching this book
really showed me that, along with being a talented comedienne, she was a fine
dramatic actress, and is underrated as a singer.
JTL: A large section of your
book is devoted to detailing episodes of My Little Margie and her second
successful series, The Gale Storm Show: Oh! Susanna. You mentioned that Oh!
Susanna never made it to DVD (I believe at least the first season of My
Little Margie is on DVD) and, except for some episodes shared by
collectors, there are only a few up on YouTube to give us a taste of what that
show was like -- an early Love Boat, with Gale as a cruise director and
the wonderful ZaSu Pitts as her buddy. How do you think these two
different series compare in illustrating her many talents?
David Tucker: have a special fondness for My
Little Margie, because to me it represents pure, unadulterated fun -- no
messages or underlying meanings, just the biggest laughs possible. Margie is a
great character who enjoys life thoroughly, and reminds us to do the same. When
she did The Gale Storm Show: Oh! Susanna,
there was an effort by producers and writers to let her character mature a bit,
although she was still quite the schemer. I think both series show that she had
comic abilities that were largely overlooked in her film career, and the second
show has the marvelous bonus of integrating her singing talent.
JTL: Gale worked for many of the
smaller studios in Hollywood. I expect if that radio contest had sent her
to MGM instead, she’d have been plunked into musicals for probably her entire
career and not done the wider range of work she experienced. What do you think
were her greatest strengths as an entertainer, and how do you think working at
the smaller studios served her?
David Tucker: I think she has innate charm and likability that come out very
clearly in her performances. Although she could, and did, play some fine
dramatic roles (such as Abandoned),
her sense of fun is a major factor in her success. Being at the Monogram studios
meant she was a big fish in a very small pond. While there wasn’t much star
treatment at a Poverty Row studio, she had the chance to play a variety of
roles. She also demonstrated that she could do good work on a tight schedule,
which made her a natural to transition into a weekly TV series.
My thanks to David C. Tucker for joining us today, and I hope you visit his interesting blog and read his new book, Gale Storm: A Biography and Career Record (McFarland, 2018).
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